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Andy Mabbett - 28 Aug 2008 20:11 GMT

I'm looking for examples of accessible pages with family (or similar)
trees; there are some awful misuses of tables out there, and I'd like to
see better. do remember the late Alan Flavell had a good example of an
organisational structure chat, but I don't know whether, or where, its
still on-line.

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Steve Y - 29 Aug 2008 08:03 GMT

I am trying 2 PHP driven systems:

TNG http://www.lythgoes.net/genealogy/software.php

PHPGedview http://www.PhpGedView.net

Some of their sample users sites may give you some ideas

Steve

> I'm looking for examples of accessible pages with family (or similar)
> trees; there are some awful misuses of tables out there, and I'd like to
> see better. do remember the late Alan Flavell had a good example of an
> organisational structure chat, but I don't know whether, or where, its
> still on-line.

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Geoff Berrow - 29 Aug 2008 09:21 GMT

Message-ID: <tffOqdHMhvtIFwm4@pigsonthewing.org.uk> from Andy Mabbett
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>I'm looking for examples of accessible pages with family (or similar)
>trees; there are some awful misuses of tables out there, and I'd like to
>see better. do remember the late Alan Flavell had a good example of an
>organisational structure chat, but I don't know whether, or where, its
>still on-line.

Wasn't Molly working on preserving Alan's pages?

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Molly Mockford - 29 Aug 2008 23:56 GMT

At 09:21:03 on Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Geoff Berrow <blthecat@ckdog.co.uk>
wrote in <nacfb4d55fm4c63ki6ep5o8vtihdmjleja@4ax.com>:

>Message-ID: <tffOqdHMhvtIFwm4@pigsonthewing.org.uk> from Andy Mabbett
>contained the following:
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>Wasn't Molly working on preserving Alan's pages?

Indeed I was. They are many and complex, and there came a point where,
before I had finished, I got overtaken by all kinds of other stuff; and
somehow, somewhen, I have to find the time to go back and see what still
needs doing, and do it. I know for a fact that none of the CGI scripts
work yet (but maybe it's not that important that they should, I might be
being over-perfectionist here); but there was also all kinds of stuff
which depended on the specific configuration of Glasgow University's
server and which didn't work on Gradwell, and I spent ages (a) figuring
out what Alan had done (some of it was seriously mind-stretching in its
ingenuity) and (b) how best to do it differently, but with the same
results. Sometimes I simply ended up hard-coding stuff which Alan had
coded as dynamic, just because it's the only way I could find of getting
it to work reliably. I wanted him there beside me, to help and advise
me.

OK, that's a lot of excuses. It probably wouldn't take me more than one
full weekend to finish the job. I just haven't been able find that full
weekend yet. This year's been a wee bit busy.

In the meantime, the salvaged site is (and has been for quite a while,
albeit unannounced) at <http://www.alanflavell.org.uk/>. Feel free to
explore, and link to any pages to which y'all used to link on the
original site; the site structure *will not change*. I would
appreciate an e-mail (to my Reply-To) with details of anything you find
wrong - I had to re-do the entire navigation, for a start, and I haven't
triple-checked it yet. Various pages had to be removed entirely, along
with all references to them, at the request of Glasgow University; but
rest assured that nothing crucial has been lost. There may, however, be
broken links. I haven't Xenu-ed it yet.

(Andy - there is no organisational chart on the site. Never was. There
is an "amusing exercise" involving a table displaying competition
results; but that's totally different.)

As youse all work through the rediscovery of the intricacies of Alan's
site, make sure that you don't miss the photos of Alan's Official VM
Teddy (awarded to Sir Alan of the Twinkling Eye in 1992). Also, please
ensure that you make an entry in your diaries, for somewhere in the
brief December-February window which is the Seville orange season, to
look up and follow Alan's marmalade recipe. When I made it, it was the
best I've ever tasted. The recipe was Alan's mother's, and she lived to
be 102.

I wish he had.

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andrew - 30 Aug 2008 00:24 GMT

> In the meantime, the salvaged site is (and has been for quite a while,
> albeit unannounced) at <http://www.alanflavell.org.uk/>.

Thanks for all this work Molly it is appreciated _enormously_.

Andrew

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Dr J R Stockton - 30 Aug 2008 21:00 GMT

In uk.net.web.authoring message <lZ0$vsOd6HuIFweg@molly.mockford>, Fri,
29 Aug 2008 23:56:29, Molly Mockford <nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk>
posted:

>In the meantime, the salvaged site is (and has been for quite a while,
>albeit unannounced) at <http://www.alanflavell.org.uk/>.

Last time I looked (maybe a year ago) it was not there; or maybe only a
placeholder.

He had not changed much (hairline excepted), when that photo was taken,
from when I knew him, decades earlier.

But I strongly suggest that the pages of the site should all be marked
with an indication that he is no longer maintaining the material, with a
link to an explanatory page. Were he still with us, he would have
presumably been altering or adding to the material.

I've updated the relevant citations on my site.

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Andy Dingley - 29 Aug 2008 11:27 GMT

Not Alan Flavell, but there was a UK guy who posted some nicely done,
well marked-up and pretty accessible examples to some of the big four
web authoring newsgroups a couple of years back. Keep searching.

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Dr J R Stockton - 29 Aug 2008 19:28 GMT

In uk.net.web.authoring message <tffOqdHMhvtIFwm4@pigsonthewing.org.uk>,
Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:11:08, Andy Mabbett <usenet200309@pigsonthewing.org.
uk> posted:

> do remember the late Alan Flavell had a good example of an
>organisational structure chat, but I don't know whether, or where, its
>still on-line.

Molly Mockford was handling all that.

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