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Sprint - 07 Mar 2010 19:00 GMT

Opera's bookmark system is VERY weak and really needs to be addressed.
That is, when you're adding bookmarks. Up pops a tiny little window which
is utterly useless for figuring out where to insert your new bookmark
among thousands of bookmarks organized in hundreds of folders and
sub-folders.

Managing Opera bookmarks on the other side is wonderful - you can work in
a full screen window, cut and paste works perfectly, you can drag and
drop....pick your poison. It all works perfectly and if you make an
error, you just retrieve it from the Trash. Love it.

So I was wondering if anyone can recommend a bookmark organizer that makes
the initial insertion process more workable. Also, all the subfolders
show up as expanded (Control_D) making it just a total pain trying to
navigate to the appropriate area. All they have to do is to have the
window open full screen and have all the folders open collapsed so you can
quickly navigate to the best area for your new bookmark.

One could use "Manage Bookmarks" and insert that way but its just more
wasted time needing additional steps. Anyone that spends any time on the
web quickly realizes that the efficient use of bookmarks are key to
productivity.

Opera hasn't fixed this in years so they probably won't now.

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Swifty - 07 Mar 2010 20:20 GMT

>Opera's bookmark system is VERY weak and really needs to be addressed.
>That is, when you're adding bookmarks. Up pops a tiny little window which
>is utterly useless for figuring out where to insert your new bookmark
>among thousands of bookmarks organized in hundreds of folders and
>sub-folders.

I've never done it that way. I navigate to the folder where I want the
bookmark to go, then use the "Bookmark Page..." option to put the
bookmark exactly where I want it.

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Frank Bell - 10 Mar 2010 01:18 GMT

> Opera's bookmark system is VERY weak and really needs to be addressed.

I do not find it so and am not exactly sure what you are describing.
Could you post a screen shot somewhere for us to look at?

With the page that I wish to bookmark in focus, I click on "Bookmarks" on
the menu bar; when the bookmarks dropdown opens, I navigate to the folder
or subfolder in which I want to place the bookmark, then click "Bookmark
Page" at the top of the bookmark list for the folder/subfolder.

Alternatively, when I click "Bookmarks"-->"Bookmark Page," I can click the
dialog next to "Create In" (the second line) and choose the folder for the
new bookmark.

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Sprint - 10 Mar 2010 18:22 GMT

>> Opera's bookmark system is VERY weak and really needs to be addressed.

> With the page that I wish to bookmark in focus, I click on "Bookmarks"
> on the menu bar; when the bookmarks dropdown opens, I navigate to the
> folder or subfolder in which I want to place the bookmark, then click
> "Bookmark Page" at the top of the bookmark list for the folder/subfolder.

Lol! I feel like such a doofus....There it is, staring me in the face and
for years I missed it. I've always used the Control_D way but then a pop
up window appears and its very short vertically. They need to not even
offer that! Your way is far superior to navigate as it uses the whole
screen and you're not cramped vertically or horizontally.

> Alternatively, when I click "Bookmarks"-->"Bookmark Page," I can click
> the dialog next to "Create In" (the second line) and choose the folder
> for the new bookmark.

Yes, that's the silly box I used from the beginning. But here it works
fine because with one tab and a hit of the spacebar you are typing your
new folder if needed.

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Frank Bell - 11 Mar 2010 04:21 GMT

> Lol! I feel like such a doofus....There it is, staring me in the face
> and for years I missed it.

I am glad I could help. As I used to say to my (now-ex for a reason)
wife, how the heck can someone know the answer when he doesn't even know
there's a question? If you don't know something might be there, you don't
know to look for it.

I have gotten more from reading these newsgroups over the years than I can
ever give back by answering the occasional question.

I may not speak up often, but I'm always reading.

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Sprint - 12 Mar 2010 00:12 GMT

>> Lol! I feel like such a doofus....There it is, staring me in the face
>> and for years I missed it.
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> can ever give back by answering the occasional question.
> I may not speak up often, but I'm always reading.

Amen to that. Newsgroups are the ultimate learning tool. Web forums are
so slow and ponderous, littered with drivel ads that distract. Its such a
shame Usenet is slowing being fazed out. Just criminal. If ISP's had any
brains they would promote Usenet themselves. It makes people smarter, is
far more efficient than web forums, and smarter customers often make
better customers as they require less tech support. But without ads
Usenet is ultimately doomed I suppose. Its a shame. 99% of web users
don't have a clue.

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thanatoid - 12 Mar 2010 03:29 GMT

>>> Lol! I feel like such a doofus....There it is, staring
>>> me in the face and for years I missed it.

What you are REALLY missing is a separate bookmarks organizer
which is a hundred ways easier to manage, and works with ANY
browser, even if you are one of those peculiar people who need 5
or 5 browsers.

Ever tried "transferring" your bookmarks to another browser? Not
much fun. There ARE programs that do it but their actual
functionality leaves a lot to be desired.

I have used Edward Leigh's URL Organizer for years and I could
not live without it. I even paid for it. I have tried about 5
others, between 5 and 30 times bigger, and they were all totally
ridiculous. Warning though - if you enjoy pretty colors and lots
of eye and ear candy, you will be sorely disappointed. This is a
small program that actually works and does JUST what it is
supposed to do.

>> I am glad I could help. As I used to say to my (now-ex
>> for a reason) wife, how the heck can someone know the
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> Web forums are so slow and ponderous, littered with drivel
> ads that distract.

How about the numerous forums which are nothing but verbatim
copies of Usenet tech help newsgroups, and some of which charge
membership? Talk about adding insult to injury - or is the other
way around in this case?

OTOH, with Google, however much of sad joke their "do not be
evil" motto has become, there is an argument to be made for NO
need for bookmarking. I HATE to admit this, but sometimes I get
the answer quicker from Google than I would from searching
through a Usenet group or even a /real/ tech forum or even my
OWN bookmarks.

Ever try to search for anything in MS's "knowledge base"? It has
its own damn code/terminolgy (largely semi-acronymically-
abbreviated) which NO normal person could ever figure out.
(There is a dictionary of that "terminology" on the MS site...
but just try to find it... Sigh...) While Google instantly gives
me the right KB article using normal English.

> Its such a shame Usenet is slowing being fazed

phased

> out. Just criminal.

No, it's just the end of free speech, which, from what I have
seen over the last 15 years (yes, I was a late starter), we are
killing ourselves, saving our totalitarian governments the
trouble of disabling a system designed to withstand a nuclear
war. Groups which once were REALLY valuable learning tools are
turning into endless threads of name calling and physical
threats and physical addresses posting, not to mention the usual
overall stupidity which abounds everywhere.

At least in the early years some of the uniquely Usenet idiocies
had the excuse of being a novelty - but to see them come back
because there is nothing better to discuss is REALLY depressing.

> If ISP's had any brains they would promote Usenet themselves.

Some ISP's DO have brains, but that does not mean they want to
do what's good for their clients. ANY business which wants to
STAY in business has to rip off (or at best give lousy service
to) their clients.

Since the explosion of BB and what will probably soon be
petabytes of new video, music, and porno flooding the Usenet
DAILY, it is not /really/ surprising that most ISP's (soon to be
all, no doubt) are removing the service.

They COULD keep the TXT ng's only, but that would require a
little problem analysis, and it's much easier just to switch
something off forever than to decide whether a dimmer might
work.

Fortunately, there are several free txt-only servers.

> It makes people smarter

No one in charge of ANYthing wants to make anyone smarter. If
they did, there would be no TV and no WWW, and perhaps no
Superman either.

> is far more efficient than web forums, and
> smarter customers often make better customers as they
> require less tech support.

In all honesty, I doubt the worst offenders (like the famous -
and sometimes I wonder if REALLY true - example of "Grab the
keyboard and take 5 steps back. Did the keyboard come with you?
Yes. OK, your kbd is not plugged in. Oh, wow, thanks!!!") would
be able to ask an answerable question. Not to mention these days
most people do not know that Usenet exists let alone has for
nearly 40 years.

> But without ads Usenet is ultimately doomed I suppose.

What do you think SPAM posts are? BION, they DO generate a small
(but sufficient) amount of revenue, just not for the ISP's...

Ergo, premium Usenet providers. Still cheap, all things
considered.

> Its a shame. 99% of web users don't have a clue.

99.5% of humans have no clue.

As another poster in another group has in his sig, "the end is
near, so smoke 'em if you got 'em".

I don't smoke anything, but he is SO correct.

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