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Firefox 3 Slower Than the Pre-Release Versions

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steve281499 - 01 Jul 2008 00:25 GMT
Hi!

This must sound weird, but since I loaded Firefox 3 final release,
Firefox is slower opening pages. Often to get a link to open I have to
click on the link again. I am at a loss since Firefox 2.14 did not
have that problem, nor did the Release Candidate versions of Firefox
3. I suspect (based on no evidence!) that something from the prior
versions is "hanging up" Firefox 3.

Any ideas of where to look?

Thanks!

Steve

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Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 03:20 GMT
> Hi!
>
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>
> steve281499@gmail.com

nope, sorry I can't say that.  FF3 opens pages a lot faster
than FF2, and others are seeing that, too.  Are you using
the same profile for FF3 as you did for FF2? If so, then try
using a new profile and see what happens.

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 03:40 GMT
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:56 -0700]:
>> Hi!
>>
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> the same profile for FF3 as you did for FF2? If so, then try
> using a new profile and see what happens.

I have noticed FF3 be a little slower. My question is this though,
what's the effing point of having profiles that you spend months
customising if the default answer to every problem is "sorry, start
again".
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 05:27 GMT
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:56 -0700]:
>>> Hi!
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> customising if the default answer to every problem is "sorry, start
> again".

because profiles can become corrupt with a bad extension or
something.

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 05:32 GMT
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:27:47 -0700]:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:56 -0700]:
>>>> Hi!
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> because profiles can become corrupt with a bad extension or
> something.

That's just as ridiculous as Dell or HP or whoever having the only way
to help you be to reformat your HD and setup windows the way it shipped
from the factory, completely un-friendly to the people who need the help
the most.
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 07:00 GMT
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:27:47 -0700]:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:56 -0700]:
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> from the factory, completely un-friendly to the people who need the help
> the most.

then do you know of a better way to solve various problems?

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 17:00 GMT
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:27:47 -0700]:
>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:56 -0700]:
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>
> then do you know of a better way to solve various problems?

Whether the problems are solved or not it doesn't help to lose all the
settings and whatever else you have in your primary profile.

I haven't seen a tool to migrate profile data from one to another, does
one exist?
Ed Mullen - 01 Jul 2008 20:26 GMT
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:27:47 -0700]:
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> I haven't seen a tool to migrate profile data from one to another, does
> one exist?

I don't know of a tool, however it's really pretty easy:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Migrating_settings_to_a_new_profile
http://www.holgermetzger.de/pdl.html
http://users.adelphia.net/~irwingreenwald/About%20Profiles.html
http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 21:57 GMT
Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:27:47 -0700]:
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> http://users.adelphia.net/~irwingreenwald/About%20Profiles.html
> http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/

So, you'd be copying a corrupt profile into a non-corrupt one, probably
causing the same issues to resurface?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 22:05 GMT
> Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
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> So, you'd be copying a corrupt profile into a non-corrupt one, probably
> causing the same issues to resurface?

you still haven't answered my question: since you're an
expert: do you know of a better way?

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 22:09 GMT
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:15 -0700]:
>> Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
>>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
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> you still haven't answered my question: since you're an
> expert: do you know of a better way?

Did I say I was an expert? No, you assumed I was.

I asked what's the point of having profiles if you lose the
customisations as the FIRST THING when trying to solve an issue?
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 22:11 GMT
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:15 -0700]:
>>> Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
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> I asked what's the point of having profiles if you lose the
> customisations as the FIRST THING when trying to solve an issue?

again, you fail to answer my question.  You keep dancing
around it, but no answer: do you know of a better way?

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Justin - 01 Jul 2008 22:15 GMT
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:15 -0700]:
>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:15 -0700]:
>>>> Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> again, you fail to answer my question.  You keep dancing
> around it, but no answer: do you know of a better way?

Sure, disable all add-ons and enable one by one, for a start.
Moz Champion (Dan) - 02 Jul 2008 12:13 GMT
> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:16:15 -0700]:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:06:15 -0700]:
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>
> Sure, disable all add-ons and enable one by one, for a start.

Depends on the issue involved.

SOME issues (not all) can be dealt with by using a new profile. Other
issues can be dealt with by other means.

In this specific situation, the problem MAY have been the profile, so it
was SUGGESTED that you try a new profile as a test, to see if that was
the case. If it WAS, then you could be directed to how to transfer data
from one to the other.

A profile becomes corrupt when data is written/added to a file that
shouldn't be there. So, as you transfer data from one profile to the new
one, you simply stop and see if the problem appears in the new after
transfering over, say the bookmarks.

And disabling all the add-ons is usually covered by the use safe mode
test. Safe mode in Firefox disables all the add-ons so you can test
using that, instead of manually disabling each add-on.  If it does work
(the problem goes away) in safe mode, that indicates it is an
extension/add-on situation and you would not be told to change to a new
profile.

In any case, the instruction given here was to try a new profile (as a
TEST). I see nothing wrong with that as a means of fault finding. If a
NEW profile did clear up the problem, then yes, it could be assumed it
was a profile situation. If it didn't, well, then it can be assumed it
ISN'T a profile situation.

You were asked to test, but instead you engaged in this diatribe about
it being the first thing, and you were not even asked to change your
current profile, but simply to TEST to see if it was a profile situation
in the first place.
Ed Mullen - 02 Jul 2008 03:51 GMT
> Ed Mullen wrote on [Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:26:49 -0400]:
>>> Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote on [Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:05:36 -0700]:
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
> So, you'd be copying a corrupt profile into a non-corrupt one, probably
> causing the same issues to resurface?

Well, ok.  Sure.  If you indiscriminately simply copy an entire profile,
yeah.  you are simply duplicating problems.  Duh! Did you read those
references I posted or just skim them?  Did you understand them?

If you're that dense, stop asking.  If you want some mythical tool to
help you not be a tool, stop asking.  It does not now nor will it ever
exist.  Life is not perfect, life takes work, so does computing.

To be specific in answering your question ...

It will take a little work to figure out what part of your profile data
is causing your particular problem.  Once you figure that out you can
NOT transfer that part of the profile.  This requires knowledge and
experience on your part.  We can help but only if you actually read and
follow our suggestions.  If all you do is complain, good luck getting
any more help.

For instance.  Suppose you have installed a lot of extensions.  Create a
new profile and only migrate your passwords, forms, bookmarks and such.
Problem fixed?  Ok.  Start adding your extensions one by one.  When the
new profile exhibits the same issues as the old one you have found the
culprit.  This is classic software de-bugging.  Don't want to de-bug?
Ah!  You want perfect software.  Ok.  Um. No, not ok.  You are screwed.

Now.  If none of this is to your taste, if it is too labor intensive or
if you simply expect life and software to work without work on your
part?  You are sh.t out of luck.

Look.  I don't mean to be curt but, honestly, anyone coming in here
expecting perfection is asking to be flamed.  You are using free
software that works much better than anything you'd pay good money for.
 And you carp about imperfections?  Sheesh.

Look.  These groups exist to avail the public of the expertise of years
of user experience.  They do not exist to satisfy every whim or
unrealistic expectation of uninformed users.  It is a process.  You
read.  You learn.  You try things.

If this is not the way you want to compute, don't.

Sorry if you find my response off-putting.  I'm not in a mood to suffer
fools lightly tonight.

If I mis-interpreted, sorry again.

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steve281499 - 01 Jul 2008 04:18 GMT
On Jun 30, 9:20 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
<peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi!
>
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>
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Thanks for the reply.

I realize that the consensus is that FF3 is faster than the previous
versions, I did not mean to say or imply that. I just know that
something is wrong with my installation and I can not figure out what
is wrong.

How do I go about creating a new profile?? My first thought was to
delete the current one - which seems to be the one that I had before -
but needed guidance before doing that.

Thanks!

Steve
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo - 01 Jul 2008 05:27 GMT
> On Jun 30, 9:20 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> <peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Steve

close FF, then click on the windows start button, then run,
and enter:

firefox.exe -p

this will start the FF profile manager.  Create a test
profile there.  Does the problem continue in that?

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steve281499 - 03 Jul 2008 17:30 GMT
On Jun 30, 11:27 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
<peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 9:20 pm, Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo
> > <peter.potamus.the.purple.hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Peter Potamus & His Magic Flying Balloon:http://www.toonopedia.com/potamus.htm

Thanks for the guidance Peter! I admit to not having much knowledge
about the "inner workings" of Firefox.

I created a new profile and the speed was really improved. I then went
back to the "original 3.0 version" and checked the add-ons. Several I
had added when I went from 2.14 to 3.0. I removed all of them and the
speed really improved.

Thanks for your help!

Steve
 
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