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Webmaster Forum / HTML, CSS, Scripts / CSS / January 2008Certifications vs. 4yr CS Degree
Wasn't sure where to post this... I needed opinions on web certifications. I'm learning overall web/database development (HTML/CSS, Actionscript, Javascript, PHP, MYSQL, ASP.NET). These are my goals. I'm not going to school for any of it. What are your opinions on this? Do I need to go to school for this (I don't see why...)? Could I get a certification somewhere? If so, where and what certification should I get? (looking for a very respectable certification). What are the advantages of going to school? (if there are any - I mean, I've gotten so far by myself and through various online forums...) I'm interested in your opinions on this one. On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe> wrote: > Wasn't sure where to post this... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > -- > Message posted viahttp://www.webmasterkb.com Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates that prove your ability to go with it because there are to many under- achievers that get degrees without actually learning or retaining anything, so I would recommend both. Just make sure you pick up the certificates as you complete the classes and you will do fine. Daniel http://a-ok-site.com > On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > anything, so I would recommend both. Just make sure you pick up the > certificates as you complete the classes and you will do fine. Euhm, in my experience, companies want (in order of importance): 1. Experience. 2. Education. 3. Certification. Experience just trumps all, education is often a nice indicator of potential, certification does not say much (allthough it might be the deciding factor when all else is equal).  SignatureRik Wasmus > Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates > that prove your ability to go with it Name a (web relevant) company and a certification that's ever "required". There are no web certifications worth their paper, accordingly no-one demands them. At a decent grade of networking (on Cisco kit), you will require Cisco certification. At the high end of Java or Oracle development, you will be expected to have SCBCD or similar. If you don't have it, you'll need to prove equivalent skill by other means. You are unlikely to be _required_ to have it though. MCSE etc are often required for employees, but IMHE new recruits will be shoved through them, rather than excluded. > > Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates > > that prove your ability to go with it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > MCSE etc are often required for employees, but IMHE new recruits will > be shoved through them, rather than excluded. Why are you so confrontational in your posts. You seem to be very insecure. People do have different opinions and that is alright including which doc type they want to use XHTML or HTML. If you think that your opinion is the only one that matters, start your own group and post to your self because you are the only one who wants to put up with your attitude. btw...following people around giving them a bad rating is only a reflection to your insecure and childish nature. Daniel http://a-ok-site.com >> > Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates >> > that prove your ability to go with it [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > btw...following people around giving them a bad rating is only a > reflection to your insecure and childish nature. Hmmm, his point could be made more in a 'in my experience'-nature, however, I do agree with him. And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google Groups seem to have invented. SignatureRik Wasmus > And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google > Groups seem to have invented. I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd. It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources. SignatureBerg >> And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google >> Groups seem to have invented. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it > comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources. One occasional visitor in sci.lang with a rather creative understanding of scientific investigation, besides being aggrieved over the failure of his ideas to elicit acceptance in the group, also rants once in a while against the "killrating mob". I once went to see what he was talking about, skeptical that there was a whole mob of people who would go out of their way to flag his messages in Google Groups. And I was right: though I was surprised to see that a lot of his posts *are* rated, the majority of these ratings are based on one vote (which can easily be determined). So maybe this fellow has *one* stalker/antagonist, but there is no mob. I pointed this out to him and got no response. > > And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google > > Groups seem to have invented. > > I didn't know what you were referring to so I looked it up. OMGawd. The "Acclaim of Idiots" system. They're quite funny really. OTOH, look at VK's You can't say it doesn't work _sometimes_. 8-) >> And any 'normal' usenet user doesn't see & care about ratings Google >> Groups seem to have invented. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It never ceases to amaze me the idiocy google can dream up where it > comes to google groups. What a complete waste of server resources. Wow! We all get profiles? And who gives us our stars? Should we sing the Barney song now? I think I'd rather learn something useful then go for stars... SignatureTake care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com > > Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates > > that prove your ability to go with it [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > MCSE etc are often required for employees, but IMHE new recruits will > be shoved through them, rather than excluded. That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie. > That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie. You seem to be using AT&T as your ADSL provider (you may not know this, your ISP may be using AT&T without your knowledge), and you're probably in, or close to Oklahoma City. It won't be long before I get the AT&T record of the residence where the connection originated, then I'll be back, posting it here. Of course, if you're using an ADSL connection from your employers, that's even better. SignatureSteve Swift http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html http://www.ringers.org.uk >> That's if you get hired. Who got you your jib your mommie. > >You seem to be using AT&T as your ADSL provider No, usenet.sucks is just Daniel @ a-ok-site socking, not owo.dod > On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Education is great, but companies almost always require certificates Nonsense. All certificates show is that one knows the intricacies of a piece of software or a particular methodology. They are a nice extra, nothing more, and are rarely _required_. OTOH, education (that is to say, a degree) typically demonstrates effective thought processes and creative thinking, as well as substantial drive and dedication. Demonstrable experience ultimately proves more important than either, though. > > On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Demonstrable experience ultimately proves more important than either, > though. I am really getting tired of people like you not reading or understanding posts. I never said anything like what you are calling nonsense. I stated that while taking classes he needed to pick up the certifications along the way. And by the way I have had the problem arise in the initial hiring process that when the certificates are left off of the resume. This might surprise you but when trying to get a job you need to put your best foot forward and stand out from the crowd and certifications plus education will help to do this. One other thing you failed to realize the OP is obliviously an entry level person with little or no verifiable experience to present to prospective employers. Daniel >>> On Jan 27, 3:40 pm, "LayneMitch via WebmasterKB.com" <u39402@uwe> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > I am really getting tired of people like you not reading or > understanding posts. I never said anything like what you are calling Funny ... I quoted exactly what you stated, specifically, "companies almost always require certificates", and (correctly) labeled THAT as nonsense. I then expanded upon the topic to both 1) support that contention and 2) provide additional information to the OP. BTW, I read and understand just fine. > nonsense. I stated that while taking classes he needed to pick up the But he doesn't "need to". That's the very point. They can potentially HELP, but they are not REQUIRED as you claim, and are the lesser consideration to education and experience in almost all cases. > certifications along the way. And by the way I have had the problem > arise in the initial hiring process that when the certificates are > left off of the resume. This might surprise you but when trying to > get a job you need to put your best foot forward and stand out from > the crowd and certifications plus education will help to do this. One No kidding? That's how it's done? Wow, good to know. (It might surprise YOU know that I've taught people how to write effective resumes, as well as interview well.) As I've said (several times now), certifications can help, yes, but they are not REQUIRED. > other thing you failed to realize the OP is obliviously an entry level > person with little or no verifiable experience to present to > prospective employers. Might be. But that doesn't in any way negate any part of my response. Again, the only person lacking understanding appears to be ... you. SignatureKevin Scholl http://www.ksscholl.com/ |
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