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Gregor Kofler - 27 Oct 2007 20:34 GMT

If the following page is loaded freshly into IE6

<http://westrevision.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9&Itemid=25>
or
<http://westrevision.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10&Itemid=26>

some content protrudes below the (clearing) footer. When the page is
refreshed or resized this ...er... phenomenon disappears. Other browser
(as one expects) lack this particular behaviour.

Question: What's the name of this bug? Workarounds are welcome, too, but
googling for "internet explorer clear bug" gives me close to 2 million
hits...

Gregor

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dorayme - 27 Oct 2007 21:16 GMT

> If the following page is loaded freshly into IE6
>
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> googling for "internet explorer clear bug" gives me close to 2 million
> hits...

It is not an IE bug. It happens in Safari too. You cannot have
this as a property list in your "layout" sheet.

#main ul, #main ol

But I do not actually know if this has anything to do with it.

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Gregor Kofler - 27 Oct 2007 22:07 GMT

dorayme meinte:

> It is not an IE bug. It happens in Safari too.

Not on "my" Safari (Win 3.0.3, after correcting the mentioned typo).

> You cannot have
> this as a property list in your "layout" sheet.

Oops. Thanks.

> #main ul, #main ol
>
> But I do not actually know if this has anything to do with it.

Removed the typo. No effect whatsoever on IE.

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dorayme - 27 Oct 2007 23:24 GMT

> dorayme meinte:
>
> > It is not an IE bug. It happens in Safari too.
>
> Not on "my" Safari (Win 3.0.3, after correcting the mentioned typo).

The version I use on Mac is Version 2.0.4 and this is the last
stable release. The rest are Beta I think...

> > You cannot have
> > this as a property list in your "layout" sheet.
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>
> Removed the typo. No effect whatsoever on IE.

OK, I looked again and this time I did not get the trouble with
under your footer in Safari. I quit Safari and restarted it and
cleared the cache, to be sure. I then clicked the link again for
your post and no, the trouble did not show up. I am not saying it
is as a result of the style sheet correction (can't quite see why
it would be this). Just don't know? But what I saw before fitted
your description of the trouble perfectly.

(Out of curiosity, I just fired up MacIE and while the trouble is
not obvious, there is a curious trace of it! If one is careful to
scroll *right down* to the end, there it is, the beginning of
what I saw before in Safari, but this time just a bit of the top:

http://netweaver.com.au/test/pics/gregor.png

When I saw it in Safari earlier this morning, there was much more
and text too...

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Gregor Kofler - 28 Oct 2007 14:58 GMT

dorayme meinte:

>> dorayme meinte:
>>
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> The version I use on Mac is Version 2.0.4 and this is the last
> stable release. The rest are Beta I think...

Safari 3 is the only one available for Windows.

>> Removed the typo. No effect whatsoever on IE.
>
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>
> http://netweaver.com.au/test/pics/gregor.png

Hmmm. Perhaps some padding/margin off (the white center is nothing but a
background image which is overwritten by the footer; and with IE Mac
were talking about a rather old browser). As long as no content shows up
below the footer...

> When I saw it in Safari earlier this morning, there was much more
> and text too...

Win IE6 shows also a lot more than the trace of your screenshot.

Thank you for verifying and the giving feedback.

Gregor

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dorayme - 28 Oct 2007 22:34 GMT

> dorayme meinte:
> >
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>
> Safari 3 is the only one available for Windows.

Yes, I know.

> > (Out of curiosity, I just fired up MacIE and while the trouble is
> > not obvious, there is a curious trace of it! If one is careful to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> were talking about a rather old browser). As long as no content shows up
> below the footer...

Of course, there is no need to worry about MacIE, it would be a
big coincidence though if the little bit of the "fault" showing
up in that browser was not connected to the bigger fault that I
saw in my Safari first time and what you are seeing in WinIE.

It is frustrating not to have diagnostic facilities in WinIE and
other browsers like the 'real time' ones with the Firefox Web
Developer tools (where the fault does *not* show up!)

It is a pleasing site to look at and navigate in. Is there a
particular reason you are not using 4.01 Strict? Does the doctype
have any effect on this fault in Win IE?

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Gregor Kofler - 29 Oct 2007 09:11 GMT

dorayme meinte:

> It is frustrating not to have diagnostic facilities in WinIE and
> other browsers like the 'real time' ones with the Firefox Web
> Developer tools (where the fault does *not* show up!)

I prefer FireBug. Anyway, as you stated: A frustrating thing to find out
rendering issues in browser ridden with bugs and not a single proper
developer tool (this "IE Developer Toolbar" is just laughable...)

> It is a pleasing site to look at and navigate in. Is there a
> particular reason you are not using 4.01 Strict? Does the doctype
> have any effect on this fault in Win IE?

Well, I'll give it a try. But since the pages are generated by a CMS, I
suppose a lot of inserted markup will come in XHTML-notation. With my
own framework I use HTML 4 Strict, and since I can't reproduce a similar
bug in IE with similar markup there, this *could* be an issue.

Gregor

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