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André Hänsel - 29 Nov 2004 16:24 GMT

When I use a stylesheet:

body, h1
{
font-family: Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
}
h1
{
font-weight: bold;
}

There is a difference between
<b>Bold Text</b>
and
<h1>Not Bold Text</h1>

Since this is so in IE and Mozilla, it must be my fault.

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Barbara de Zoete - 29 Nov 2004 16:35 GMT

> When I use a stylesheet:
>
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>
> Since this is so in IE and Mozilla, it must be my fault.

Sure there is. First one is an inline element. Second is a block element.
That's one.
Besides that, first one is presentational. Second is semantic. A graphical
UA may render the h1 element in what ever way it sees fit, but it should
render the bold element just as that, applying bold to the text of the
element it is in. Rendering the h1 may include all sorts of other
presentational features, like padding and margin or letter-spacing and all
that.

BTW: you are not trying to set h1 element to look like normal bold text
just to cheat search engines, are you?

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Andreas Prilop - 29 Nov 2004 17:06 GMT

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andr? H?nsel wrote:

> From: "Andr? H?nsel" <andre@webkr.de>
> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437

Please read http://piology.org/news/oe-erste-schritte.html
to set up your newsreader^W Outlook Express correctly.

> font-size: 10px;
>
> [...] it must be my fault.

Yes, it is your fault.
Do not, never ever, specify absolute font sizes in pixels!
Leave the font size of the body text to the reader.
Specify other font sizes in percent.

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Jukka K. Korpela - 29 Nov 2004 19:06 GMT

> Do not, never ever, specify absolute font sizes in pixels!

Well, setting font size to 10px is virtually criminal (i.e., it should be a
criminal offence, except by special permission), but the technical problem
is still unsolved. However I don't see the problem itself. Maybe the OP
should specify what happens. On my IE and my Mozilla, <b> is rendered the
same as <h1> when the font size is set to the same. Actually it is
redundant to set the font-weight for h1 to bold, since that's a common
browser default. Maybe we need a URL.

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André Hänsel - 29 Nov 2004 19:58 GMT

BTW: I corrected my OE. :) But I will anyway change to Thunderbird the next
days.

>> Do not, never ever, specify absolute font sizes in pixels!
>
> Well, setting font size to 10px is virtually criminal (i.e., it
> should be a criminal offence, except by special permission), but the
> technical problem is still unsolved.

Yes, of course I'm not going to specify font sizes in pixels and of course
this is not the actual stylesheet but was for testing.
But as Jukka wrote, this has _nothing_ to do with the problem.

> However I don't see the problem
> itself. Maybe the OP should specify what happens. On my IE and my
> Mozilla, <b> is rendered the same as <h1> when the font size is set
> to the same. Actually it is redundant to set the font-weight for h1
> to bold, since that's a common browser default. Maybe we need a URL.

Sorry, I found the answer by myself. What was confusing me was that regular
and bold style of a 10px Helvetica is rendered the same since it is too
small to show the difference. (Well, Verdana can...)

Best Regards,
André

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Lauri Raittila - 29 Nov 2004 20:31 GMT

> > Well, setting font size to 10px is virtually criminal (i.e., it

> Yes, of course I'm not going to specify font sizes in pixels and of course
> this is not the actual stylesheet but was for testing.

Then why did you write something that stupid?

> But as Jukka wrote, this has _nothing_ to do with the problem.

> What was confusing me was that regular
> and bold style of a 10px Helvetica is rendered the same since it is too
> small to show the difference. (Well, Verdana can...)

So, the 10px actually *was* the problem... It is not good idea to test
stuff using some random code you would never use normally. No matter
what, there is always surprises.

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