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Webmaster Forum / ASP / Database Access / January 2007asp communicate to a db without an html form?
Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html controls be able to insert data into a db without having an html form coded into it? Someone gave me a bunch of asp files with input fields and controls but seems like no html forms were coded and am wondering if there's an asp-db method that I'm unaware of. Thanks in advance. J > Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's possible for > an asp page with some html input fields and other html controls be able to > insert data into a db without having an html form coded into it? Someone > gave me a bunch of asp files with input fields and controls but seems like > no html forms were coded and am wondering if there's an asp-db method that > I'm unaware of. If the page is intended to obtain data from user-supplied inputs, then a valid html form with the correct action, method and some way of submitting it would be needed. ASP can't access this kind of data any other way. It has no idea what the user is entering on the clientside until the form is submitted. -- Mike Brind > Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's > possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks in advance. Perhaps it was using Ajax (XMLHTTP) to submit data to a server-side page.  SignatureMicrosoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a quicker response by posting to the newsgroup. >> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's >> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Perhaps it was using Ajax (XMLHTTP) to submit data to a server-side > page. That thought makes me shudder.... > >> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's > >> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That thought makes me shudder.... Why? >>> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's >>> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That thought makes me shudder.... Really? Why? SignatureMicrosoft MVP -- ASP/ASP.NET Please reply to the newsgroup. The email account listed in my From header is my spam trap, so I don't check it very often. You will get a quicker response by posting to the newsgroup. >>>> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's >>>> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Really? Why? [To both you and Anthony] Purely from a usability point of view. Hypothetically speaking, if Ajax is used as the submission agent in the above scenario (and there's no compelling evidence that it is), I kind of get the impression that the page would look like a form to a user (in that it has inputs for user-supplied data), but not behave in the conventional way - in that there is no way to for the user to submit it. If that were the case then I can think of a considerable number of acquaintances (and work colleagues) who could be thoroughly thrown by that approach. I have no problem with the Ajax approach in itself generally. I use it a fair bit, but I'm also very conscious of trying to present a UI that people are comfortable and familiar with. Perhaps I'm not "leading edge" enough.... :-/ > >>>> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's > >>>> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > it has inputs for user-supplied data), but not behave in the conventional > way - in that there is no way to for the user to submit it. I see. I didn't draw that inference myself. > If that were > the case then I can think of a considerable number of acquaintances (and > work colleagues) who could be thoroughly thrown by that approach. Yes the context is very important. I've got users who are thrown by the idea that the dumb machine can't remember what was in the fields the last time they visited form unless it's told specifically to remember them. It's all about what they're used to. > I have no problem with the Ajax approach in itself generally. I use it a > fair bit, but I'm also very conscious of trying to present a UI that people > are comfortable and familiar with. I don't see Ajax (I actually loathe that term) and the UI being all that connected. In fact the traditional HTML Form quite tightly couples appearance and behaviour with the data transport. Whereas sending XML messages around is more flexible in that what you do with UI does not have to cater to the needs of data transport. > Perhaps I'm not "leading edge" enough.... :-/ Depends on where your market is at. >> >>>> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's >> >>>> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Depends on where your market is at. Many and varied. None of it can in any way be assumed to be computer literate. > I don't see Ajax (I actually loathe that term) <snip> Ditto, so, call it what it was originally called, remote scripting. Ajax is a foaming cleanser. -- Roland Hall >> I don't see Ajax (I actually loathe that term) <snip> > > Ditto, so, call it what it was originally called, remote scripting. Well, remote scripting was quite different. I used it in one of my first apps. After that horrible experience ... never again. XMLHttp, on the other hand ... I've got a few apps humming along quite nicely using that. SignatureMicrosoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NET Please reply to the newsgroup. This email account is my spam trap so I don't check it very often. If you must reply off-line, then remove the "NO SPAM" >>> I don't see Ajax (I actually loathe that term) <snip> >> >> Ditto, so, call it what it was originally called, remote scripting. > > Well, remote scripting was quite different. I used it in one of my first > apps. After that horrible experience ... never again. Peter Bromberg is my favorite author on the subject: http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20050514.asp > XMLHttp, on the other hand ... I've got a few apps humming along quite > nicely using that. I like the ability to update the page with server-side script without having to save everything, post, validate and reset. -- Roland Hall >> I don't see Ajax (I actually loathe that term) <snip> > > Ditto, so, call it what it was originally called, remote scripting. Ajax > is a foaming cleanser. No it's not. It's a Dutch footy club. Sounds interesting. I haven't worked with Ajax yet but kinda curious about it. Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated. Take cares. J >>>> Hello. I just had a quick question and was wondering if it's >>>> possible for an asp page with some html input fields and other html [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Really? Why? |
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